If they were related to present-day Cretans on their mother's side, there's an excellent chance they were also related on their father's side as well.
Enough of this nonsense trying to minimise/steal the contributions of our ancestors! Cretans were not Arabs, Cleopatra was not a native African, Alexander the Great was not a Slav and the seven sages of Greece did not come from outer space!
That you said in the past that you didn't watch sports, if that is not the case, I apologize.
But having said that, if you do watch Greek football, do you actually think OLY wins these tournaments legitimately?
All of the points I have made above are indeed circumstantial, but many have been buried by "circumstantial evidence" before.
How is that circular reasoning? Just because I don't have the proverbial "smoking gun" to prove that OLY has Greek football in its back pocket, does not mean that my previous points have NO validity what's so ever.
In case the EU commissioner has missed the headlines of the last couple of years, Greece is going through severe economic problems and cannot afford to be generous to its own people - leave alone foreigners crossing her borders illegally.
If the EU (read: northern Europe) really is concerned about war refugees, illegal immigrants, etc., may I suggest they open up their own borders to accept them and take the burden off Greece?
Please point out the part which gives the impression that I do not watch football.
My comments were directed at your ASSUMPTIONS. You are in the habit of "guaranteeing" things and making broad declarations only supported by other, broader declarations. Circular reasoning hasn't even the remotest relation to logic.
a) Pnyx has previously admitted to not watching football, he/she is just commenting on my "knowing" that the fix was in
b) I don't even know where you came up with that analogy. I am merely stating that if they are as good as they "seem" to be, they could have at least scored 1 goal, I didn't say they should have won.
C) Did you watch the game? I cannot believe you would think that the refereeing was of the same quality! Are you an OLY fan? Many of my friends and relatives of whom are OLY fams, many of whom went to the game in OAKA, were embarrassed by how they "won" that game
D) Again, your analogy makes no sense. I was merely stating that Bayern Munich, Man U, Barcelona, Real Madrid, etc. and even teams in smaller leagues (Cypriot league, Turkish league, Dutch, etc.) don't have teams with that type of monopoly on winning.
I mean OLY is the richest club in Greece, would it be that inconceivable that they could bribe officials for results?
I would love to know how you come up with all these assumptions:
Quote:
) OLY is NOT that good (but since you don't watch football, you wouldn't know)
How the heck do you know whether he watches football or not?
Quote:
2) If they were that good, they would at least be able to score 1 goal against a Spanish team that's 14th in their own domestic league.
Is that like saying "if you are so smart how come you're not rich?"
Quote:
3) It was obvious to just about everyone in Greece that there was a significant difference in officiating quality in the second half than in the first half.
Obvious? According to whom? The first half was horrendous too!
Quote:
4) No other team in Europe, even in the smaller leagues, has a monopoly on winning doubles like OLY has in Greece (I redirect you to my first point)
THis is sort of like saying "if you don't like my answer read it again, until you get tired of reading and give up!"
Anyway, officiating was terrible. It should be a real shame to call oneself an Oympiakos fan. Or even a Greek soccer fan for that matter.
Corrupt random penalties, red cards, I mean they have found corruption in seemingly less corruptible football federations, why would Greece be any different.
Furthermore:
1) OLY is NOT that good (but since you don't watch football, you wouldn't know)
2) If they were that good, they would at least be able to score 1 goal against a Spanish team that's 14th in their own domestic league.
3) It was obvious to just about everyone in Greece that there was a significant difference in officiating quality in the second half than in the first half.
4) No other team in Europe, even in the smaller leagues, has a monopoly on winning doubles like OLY has in Greece (I redirect you to my first point)
That was obviously his intention before this whole thing started.
I just wish His Honour would go after ALL troublemakers, protestors, etc, etc, instead of hand-picking his targets.
"Obviously?" I cannot comment on the fairness of the game since I did not attend, but it's obvious to you that they "were given a handsome sum?" Could you elaborate on how you arrived at this "obvious" conclusion or that Oly has "has a contract for "winning"?"
... Phantis is full of claivoyants lately.
Is this something we should believe or is it another attempt by the Islamist government of Erdogan to stifle the opposition?
I'm not sure about this item of news...
of course It IS the West that is supporting them, even if it isn't with "arms", it is with "intelligence" which could basically mean ANYTHING.
I am just surprised this news was even released
U.S. President Barack Obama has said there is evidence chemical weapons have been used in Syria, but his administration does not know when they were used, or who used them.
Yeah, right but up till yesterday US politicians were all calling for support of the rebels and the ouster of Assad.
Face it: these rebels are FAR worse than Assad. The West would be better off hunting down and punishing those who have supported them and armed them. Unless, of course, we are talking of people too close to home?
She is charged with complicity in the murders of eight ethnic Turks, a Greek immigrant and a German policewoman between 2000 and 2007 as a founding member of the National Socialist Underground (NSU).
Dubbed the "Nazi moll" by media, she is also accused of involvement in 15 armed robberies, arson and attempted murder in two bomb attacks.
Possibly cheaper? I mean Greece will always have tourism b/c of the antiquity (obviously the beaches and islands too but you could go to several other countries for that). Then again, many of the places I have gone to, don't hesitate to screw people over with prices (provided they don't speak Greek).
As for the media, it might be true, but can you really take ANY media reports at full value?
I am not the one stated previously that the US was an example of tolerance. I have NEVER said that about my country, b/c I know my country has A LOT of problems so saying Canada is more tolerant, yadda yadda is BIG LIE.
I apologize for the personal attack, I just know your style, you start well and then when someone doesn't agree with you, you attack them personally,
I guess I was just anticipating it. Oh wait you ALREADY DID, by ASSUMING that my comments on a message board could IN ANY WAY indicate how competent I am at teaching my field.
What do you do for a living?
I'm with you on this one, but then how come Greek media is reporting that this is going to be a record year for Greece in terms of the number of tourists?
Is somebody counting the illegal immigrants as tourists again? (joke)
The point I am trying to make is that when an economy of ANY country, being cordial and ultimately respect go by the wayside.
I am almost certain that most of the people that accepted the food handouts from the GD do NOT actually support them. But during this time what is more important political party lines or whether you have food to eat?
GD is taking advantage and I agree that there overall message is not good for the country. But, they could EASILY be drowned out if the other parties namely PASOK and ND did the same thing. That about the fact that they feed "4000 people" is probably BS b/c here in my city (I don't know about Greece or anywhere else), most if not ALL soup kitchens are PRIMARILY OPERATED by donations/private sponsors NOT the government. Furthermore, it is Easter, if it is run by the government, couldn't they significantly increase the amount of people they serve?
Whoa Whoa, murderer with as a euthanasia activist. talk about an ABSURD comparison.
Not any more than calling GD's gathering a 'protest against government austerity'
Quote:
I think your problem is that you live on your soapbox b/c you cannot or do not think you would ever be in that situation
As opposed to what? Living in Canada and cheering Golden Dawn from the comfort of your hi-tech computer desk? Stick to the subject if you can. Trying to make this a personal issue doesn't help your case. I doesn't speak volumes conversational skills either.
The political scene in Greece is comparing Apples with other Apples.
See the as I mentioned before the apparent difference between yourself and I, is that I try to put myself in the shoes of the people in the country RIGHT NOW. You seem to think that your opinion from several years back carries validity today. You seem so disconnected by what is going on.
What suits me? Your the one that toots the horn of the US (making it seem like is was a beacon for foreigners, etc.) when it is really not in any better shape than Greece is right now!
So once again, please for your sake, think or do research b4 u speak.
It is utterly important that as a civilization we establish units of measurement and comparison. The colloquial term is 'apples and oranges'. I would expect that you - a teacher of science as you profess - would understand the value of measurement and units of comparison. I guess not.... You enjoy mixing and matching - as it suits you. Sad. For your students that is.
Turkey doesn't have the Euro and their economy is doing very well. Which is a major reason why I don't understand why refugees don't go there instead, they will probably be better off.
If they were related to present-day Cretans on their mother's side, there's an excellent chance they were also related on their father's side as well.
Enough of this nonsense trying to minimise/steal the contributions of our ancestors! Cretans were not Arabs, Cleopatra was not a native African, Alexander the Great was not a Slav and the seven sages of Greece did not come from outer space!
That you said in the past that you didn't watch sports, if that is not the case, I apologize.
But having said that, if you do watch Greek football, do you actually think OLY wins these tournaments legitimately?
All of the points I have made above are indeed circumstantial, but many have been buried by "circumstantial evidence" before.
How is that circular reasoning? Just because I don't have the proverbial "smoking gun" to prove that OLY has Greek football in its back pocket, does not mean that my previous points have NO validity what's so ever.
In case the EU commissioner has missed the headlines of the last couple of years, Greece is going through severe economic problems and cannot afford to be generous to its own people - leave alone foreigners crossing her borders illegally.
If the EU (read: northern Europe) really is concerned about war refugees, illegal immigrants, etc., may I suggest they open up their own borders to accept them and take the burden off Greece?
Please point out the part which gives the impression that I do not watch football.
My comments were directed at your ASSUMPTIONS. You are in the habit of "guaranteeing" things and making broad declarations only supported by other, broader declarations. Circular reasoning hasn't even the remotest relation to logic.
a) Pnyx has previously admitted to not watching football, he/she is just commenting on my "knowing" that the fix was in
b) I don't even know where you came up with that analogy. I am merely stating that if they are as good as they "seem" to be, they could have at least scored 1 goal, I didn't say they should have won.
C) Did you watch the game? I cannot believe you would think that the refereeing was of the same quality! Are you an OLY fan? Many of my friends and relatives of whom are OLY fams, many of whom went to the game in OAKA, were embarrassed by how they "won" that game
D) Again, your analogy makes no sense. I was merely stating that Bayern Munich, Man U, Barcelona, Real Madrid, etc. and even teams in smaller leagues (Cypriot league, Turkish league, Dutch, etc.) don't have teams with that type of monopoly on winning.
I mean OLY is the richest club in Greece, would it be that inconceivable that they could bribe officials for results?
I would love to know how you come up with all these assumptions:
How the heck do you know whether he watches football or not?
Anyway, officiating was terrible. It should be a real shame to call oneself an Oympiakos fan. Or even a Greek soccer fan for that matter.
Real shame.
Corrupt random penalties, red cards, I mean they have found corruption in seemingly less corruptible football federations, why would Greece be any different.
Furthermore:
1) OLY is NOT that good (but since you don't watch football, you wouldn't know)
2) If they were that good, they would at least be able to score 1 goal against a Spanish team that's 14th in their own domestic league.
3) It was obvious to just about everyone in Greece that there was a significant difference in officiating quality in the second half than in the first half.
4) No other team in Europe, even in the smaller leagues, has a monopoly on winning doubles like OLY has in Greece (I redirect you to my first point)
That was obviously his intention before this whole thing started.
I just wish His Honour would go after ALL troublemakers, protestors, etc, etc, instead of hand-picking his targets.
"Money, money, money,
always sunny
in the rich man's world..."
Nail the thug's ass to the wall!
"Obviously?" I cannot comment on the fairness of the game since I did not attend, but it's obvious to you that they "were given a handsome sum?" Could you elaborate on how you arrived at this "obvious" conclusion or that Oly has "has a contract for "winning"?"
... Phantis is full of claivoyants lately.
Disgusting display of favoritism to OLY, obviously this referee and his staff were given a handsome sum of cash at half-time....
They should just abolish this league, it is obvious OLYMPIAKOS has a contract for "winning"
Is this something we should believe or is it another attempt by the Islamist government of Erdogan to stifle the opposition?
I'm not sure about this item of news...
of course It IS the West that is supporting them, even if it isn't with "arms", it is with "intelligence" which could basically mean ANYTHING.
I am just surprised this news was even released
Yeah, right but up till yesterday US politicians were all calling for support of the rebels and the ouster of Assad.
Face it: these rebels are FAR worse than Assad. The West would be better off hunting down and punishing those who have supported them and armed them. Unless, of course, we are talking of people too close to home?
And we thought Merkel was bad...
Possibly cheaper? I mean Greece will always have tourism b/c of the antiquity (obviously the beaches and islands too but you could go to several other countries for that). Then again, many of the places I have gone to, don't hesitate to screw people over with prices (provided they don't speak Greek).
As for the media, it might be true, but can you really take ANY media reports at full value?
I am not the one stated previously that the US was an example of tolerance. I have NEVER said that about my country, b/c I know my country has A LOT of problems so saying Canada is more tolerant, yadda yadda is BIG LIE.
I apologize for the personal attack, I just know your style, you start well and then when someone doesn't agree with you, you attack them personally,
I guess I was just anticipating it. Oh wait you ALREADY DID, by ASSUMING that my comments on a message board could IN ANY WAY indicate how competent I am at teaching my field.
What do you do for a living?
I'm with you on this one, but then how come Greek media is reporting that this is going to be a record year for Greece in terms of the number of tourists?
Is somebody counting the illegal immigrants as tourists again? (joke)
The point I am trying to make is that when an economy of ANY country, being cordial and ultimately respect go by the wayside.
I am almost certain that most of the people that accepted the food handouts from the GD do NOT actually support them. But during this time what is more important political party lines or whether you have food to eat?
GD is taking advantage and I agree that there overall message is not good for the country. But, they could EASILY be drowned out if the other parties namely PASOK and ND did the same thing. That about the fact that they feed "4000 people" is probably BS b/c here in my city (I don't know about Greece or anywhere else), most if not ALL soup kitchens are PRIMARILY OPERATED by donations/private sponsors NOT the government. Furthermore, it is Easter, if it is run by the government, couldn't they significantly increase the amount of people they serve?
Yes. :-)
Not any more than calling GD's gathering a 'protest against government austerity'
As opposed to what? Living in Canada and cheering Golden Dawn from the comfort of your hi-tech computer desk? Stick to the subject if you can. Trying to make this a personal issue doesn't help your case. I doesn't speak volumes conversational skills either.
The political scene in Greece is comparing Apples with other Apples.
See the as I mentioned before the apparent difference between yourself and I, is that I try to put myself in the shoes of the people in the country RIGHT NOW. You seem to think that your opinion from several years back carries validity today. You seem so disconnected by what is going on.
What suits me? Your the one that toots the horn of the US (making it seem like is was a beacon for foreigners, etc.) when it is really not in any better shape than Greece is right now!
So once again, please for your sake, think or do research b4 u speak.
It is utterly important that as a civilization we establish units of measurement and comparison. The colloquial term is 'apples and oranges'. I would expect that you - a teacher of science as you profess - would understand the value of measurement and units of comparison. I guess not.... You enjoy mixing and matching - as it suits you. Sad. For your students that is.
Turkey doesn't have the Euro and their economy is doing very well. Which is a major reason why I don't understand why refugees don't go there instead, they will probably be better off.